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The One Thing We Haven't Talked About

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Comments (18)

Robert
Sep 07

I won't get political with an overt mention, but there is one political party that is entirely capable of sabotaging any growth prospects since they are generally opposed, preferring regulation and containment of new technology.

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grover13
Sep 07

"If America is going to get back toward 4% real GDP growth, it will not come primarily from adding workers. It will come from helping each worker produce more."


The productivity argument is reasonable from the standpoint that companies are always looking to improve productivity, and productivity does tend to increase over time. Where it falls flat though, is that this argument assumes that while productivity increases, the number of workers remains constant, with all the added productivity going straight to growth.


We have over a century of history that suggests this is not the case.


When companies develop ways to make workers more productive, the immediate next step is to fire their excess worker capacity. This increases corporate profits- but not growth throughout the country. The profits are hoarded at the top, and sit in bank accounts, were the capital does not flow throughout the economy. They are not directed towards future investment.


The stronger argument is demographics. The growth cited from much of the 20th century was in a growing country- growing by birthrates, growing by immigrants, and growing by education. All of those trends are now in decline. Some of those are the nature of mature economies, and some are self-inflicted.


Future 4% growth for the US is a fantasy. Time to bite the bullet, and focus on cutting spending and raising taxes. The longer we wait, the worse it will be.

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Brett
Sep 06

The premise is completely flawed. There is a temporary increase in jobs while construction takes place and while businesses look to create AGI. Once construction slows and AGI is achieved, mass firings will begin.


Productivity will soar but unemployment will explode higher. Those without income and assets don't spend. Either the government provides aid or the economy slowly and then rapidly collapses. Exploding Productivity while a depression unfolds. Or government spending ramps higher to prevent the depression.


The tax code will need to be reconfigured as wages will become rare and profits will be extreme if the government saves the consumer.


If AGI is never achieved productivity stable employment could possibly happen but it is difficult to imagine a recession doesn't creap in for 1 reason or another. Every recession seems to trigger even more extreme government debt.


Buy gold but be prepared for another leg down as it is absolutely possible.

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Oconnore
Sep 05

There are rational optimists and there are rational realists! Im a dyed in the wool capitalist but I have to acknowledge that the returns to the owners of capital are not sustainable- the working class will accept this until they won't. We don't want to or need to test this hypothesis, the owners of capital need to pay their fair share. Pay or see capitalism destroyed!

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Mark
Sep 05

The “Grow our way out of it.” argument, with all due respect, is exhaustingly flawed, on at least 2 fronts:


1) it dismisses the absolute waste of taxpayer dollars to (indefinitely) “carry the load”. It is a boat anchor that endlessly impedes the boat, stressing every system to overcome the drag and move appreciably forward.


2) it never happens, because the “growth” is quickly consumed by, wait for it…overspending. In other, most stark words of all, we simply are a pathetically-weak, undisciplined, species. Which is to say, we will “spend” ourselves into oblivion — overeating, over-imbibing, and lazy to an unhealthy sloth, until nothing can reverse it, not even the burdensome over-taxation of the ever-decreasing percentage of those that are actually productive among us.


Put simply, the entire problem is one of collective will, which sadly over the last 60+ years is a rapid disintegration of culture, values, community, and country. THAT is the real problem, and it is going to take, as M. Scott Peck warned over 3 decades ago, an order of magnitude more strength to overcome than that which it took to create. You don’t “grow” out of that technologically, financially, hell not even magically.

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LukeT1
Sep 05

Why, oh why, does no one ever talk about the $2.3 TRILLION spent ANNUALLY on tax expenditures? You want a budget surplus? There is your answer.

Our disengenuous politicians, who are paid by special interests to create and protect tax expenditures, always claim the only cuts that can be made are "discretionary spending" on defense or welfare. Guns and butter.

But tax expenditures are 100 percent discretionary!

We have an insane system where people earning identical incomes are paying radically different income tax each year. And the same is true for businesses with identical earnings.

Tax expenditures are the biggest government social engineering project in the history of the world. $2.3 trillion every year.

No capitalist in their right mind should support this wall-to-wall government interference in the free market. These are a huge transfer of wealth UP the food chain. These tilt the playing field to the advantage of the wealthy.

For example, the mortgage interest deduction results in the price of homes being up to 27 percent higher. And who benefits from a working schlub having to borrow more for his house? The lenders, the mortage brokers, the real estate agents with their commissions, and the home builders. And all of these vultures spend hundreds of millions of dollars on lobbyists every year, and countless millions more on campaign donations.

Every dollar of revenues lost through deductions, exemptions, and credits has to be taken from someone else through higher tax rates, or borrowed.

And boy oh boy, do we borrow!

We need to ban tax expenditures. Not only will this restore sanity to our tax structure, it will have the serendipitous effect of campaign finance reform since it will remove the incentives for special interests to bribe our politicians to create and protect this colossal spending.

Then we can not only pay down the debt, we can lower tax rates for EVERYONE.

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David Swift
Sep 04

I believe that AI has been over optimistically named. This misnomer has elevated expectations beyond what is in reality possible. In fact, the label "machine knowledge" far better suits the product because while it can provide almost any known answer, a five-year-old is better at finding new knowledge. Yes, it can provide a basis for research, but no, it can't recognize a good idea when it is offered.

Real growth comes from providing human beings with something that they want; no machine can have or understand human desire.

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Magellan
Sep 04

Great concept, and hopefully AI and robotics will goose our GDP/capita. But as you said, GDP growth is population growth * productivity growth. We have no population growth, so that leaves just productivity growth; what have we achieved historically? You have to subtract the population growth from your historical chart, and the 1800's saw mostly 3%/yr population growth, and the 1900's mostly 2%/yr. That leaves an average of 1-2% productivity growth throughout our history. Isn't that where we are now?

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Brewski
Sep 04

America is addicted to excessive spending financed by massive increases in debt. Our central bank has enabled the habit with monetary expansion with extremeluy low interest rates.


This will have a happy ending for a very small group of Americans. Howerver, the vast majority of us will pay a very high price as piper will be paid.


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Doug Litke
Sep 04

Ken123 is right about growing our workforce. My concern - data center buildout will finish at some point. 2 years from now? I still remember all of the fiber from 1999-2000. I think there is too much hope on AI solving our problems. PCs made us more productive. Internet (even with the dot-com bust) improved productivity. But look at your chart. Hard to see it there. Then there is energy costs. This administration spent $2B to cancel new energy projects. (Offshore wind - not the best source, but still). It is pushing coal generation, forcing end of life coal plants to stay open. It canceled grid upgrades because they were part of Biden's green energy. But the grid does not care where the energy came from. We need more and cheaper electricity. Energy makes an economy run. Trump is doing well with nuclear. But that is at least 5 years out from being useful for us.

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Ken123
Sep 04
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"The grid does not care where the energy comes from." Amen.


There is widespread assumption--albeit wrong--that a pro-business Republican President will be pro-innovation. I see no evidence of that with Trump. You've pointed to the cancellation of investment in renewable and cheaper electricity, as an example. Mine would be the unimaginably destructive policy of undermining academic research universities.


To me, they both fall into the category of: who could possibly think it was a good idea to start a trade war with Canada rather than continuing to negotiate with them. What and who benefits?

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