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Kicking the Can to the End of the Road

May 14, 2011

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The Biggest Bubble of Them All

This week we turn from the crisis brewing in the US to the one that is coming to a slow boil in Europe. We visit our old friends Greece and Ireland and ponder how this will end. It is all well and good to kick the can down the road, but what happens when you come to the end of the road? The European answer seems to be to haul in the heavy equipment and extend the road.

I am asked all the time what my biggest worry is, and I quickly answer, the European Sovereign Debt Crisis. Of course, then we have to think about the Japanese Sovereign Debt Crisis, followed by the one in the US; but today we will focus on Europe. The biggest bubble in history is the bubble of government debt. It is a bubble in a world full of pins. It will take a great deal of luck and crisis management to keep it afloat, without wreaking havoc on the financial system and markets of the world.

The rumors have been flying all this week. Greek is going to leave the euro. No, it won’t. Germans are demanding debt restructuring, and then they say no. A German newspaper is reporting that the EU, IMF, and Germany want a Greek debt extension, while the ECB (holders of Greek debt) and France oppose it. Greek two-year bonds are now paying 25% if you care to buy them in the open market, which is effectively the market voting for some type of debt restructuring or outright default.

I sat down this week and read two lengthy reports on how Greek debt could be restructured in an orderly manner. One was from HSBC and the other from Roubini Global Economics. There are ways it can be done. But the costs of the various options may be more than the affected parties want to bear. It is not a matter of pain or no pain; it is a decision as to who will bear the pain.

The fundamental problem for Greece is that there is no sign of economic recovery, with GDP at -4.5% in 2010 and still likely to be -3.0% in 2011 (IMF). If your economy slows down by 10%, then your debt-to-GDP ratio rises by 11% without any new debt. And Greece is being asked to further reduce its deficit by what is in effect 15% of GDP, while taking on no more debt. Within two years…

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Heinz Waech

May 19, 2011, 10:56 a.m.

Have you ever considered how you would act as a citizen or as a business in Greece if you expected that Greece would leave the Euro? You would not need to buy your car or any capital investments right away. You just take your Euros out of your Greek bank account and hide it at home or deposit at a bank in another EUR country. And then you would not get hurt by a change back to the Drachme.

And maybe the people have already acted in this way, what shoul show in the statistics of bank deposits. And it could even make sense to take a credit (which might be devallued later).

I personally think that it is nearly impossible to leave the Euro as a weak country. In the contrary it would make more sense for Germany to go back to the Deutsche Mark and it would be much easier (but not feasible politically).

In the end Greece will have to reduce its deficit either by collecting more taxes or cut spending dramatically. They only can buy time.

Alex Coutlis

May 16, 2011, 5:43 a.m.

Firstly, thank you for regularly sharing your very informative insights through your newsletter.

I have one comment on your last newsletter re: Greece.

You state that Greece has been in default for 150 out of the last 200 years.

Greece defaulted in 1827, 1843, 1893 and finally in 1932. It would seem that Greece has been a serial defaulter, but perhaps a brief look at Greece’s history will shed a different light.

In the 15th century Greece fell under the rule of the Ottoman Empire, and remained under it for 400 years.
In 1821 the Greeks started (one more) revolution to claim their independence.
In 1828 Greece is, for the first time, officially recognized as an independent state by the Great European Powers. Apart from being devastated by war, at this point Greece includes less than 20% of its present-day territories. (The 1827 default was on loans to the ‘revolutionary government’)
In 1832 Greece gains more territory from the Ottoman Empire, and now includes about 1/3rd of its present-day territories.
Not to bore you with too much detail, Greece is engaged in further wars with the Ottoman Empire and gained further territories in 1878, 1881, 1913 and 1923, and finally in 1947 it reaches its present borders, after receiving the Aegean islands of the Dodecanese from Italy as a reward for participating on the side of the Allied powers in WWII.

Greece exists as a state for 183 years now, and its present borders date from 64 years ago. Its last default was in 1932, 79 years ago.

In coming up with only 50 years of non-default track record, perhaps the comment (which has been doing the rounds) includes a near-certain default post WWII - a common fate of many European states, if not for the Marshall Plan.

Before one attaches undue significance to this WWII near-default, perhaps it is worth knowing that during WWII Greece lost 5-10% of its population, second (as %ge) only to USSR (for comparison the US lost 0.3% and the UK less than 1% of their pre-war population).

If you are still with me (!) most died from famine during the German occupation of 1941-44, but for example c. 50,000 civilians were executed by Germans (they famously executed whole villages’ male population to avenge the nearby deaths of a handful of their soldiers from partisans). This was 0.7% of the pre-war population - as a %ge, more Greek civilians executed at point blank range than total US deaths from WWII - the equivalent number on the US 131 million pre-war population would have been 1 million dead from execution.

Economics is a great science, but all too often not the whole story.

Alexandre Jacquet

May 15, 2011, 2:54 p.m.

Hello -

“No country save Britain at the height of its empire has ever recovered from a debt-to-GDP ratio of over 150% without a default. None.” What about Japan?

Ramiro Lopez Larroy

May 14, 2011, 7:58 p.m.

As always great article, only one quick comment.  Argentina hasn’t really being able to get back to the capital markets.

Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

May 14, 2011, 5:59 p.m.

There is no U.S. or Japanese debt crisis, though there is an Irish and Greek debt crisis.  Why?  The U.S. and Japan are Monetarily Sovereign (http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2010/08/13/monetarily-sovereign-the-key-to-understanding-economics/) while Ireland and Greece are monetarily non-sovereign.

A Monetarily Sovereign nation has the unlimited ability to create its sovereign currency and thereby to pay any debts of any size. The U.S. has the unlimited ability to create dollars.  Japan has the unlimited ability to create yen.  Ireland and Greece do not have the unlimited ability to create euros.

This is why the U.S. and Japan have no difficulty paying their debts, despite for instance, Japan’s debt/GDP ratio exceeding 200 and climbing.

Of course, for a Monetarily Sovereign nation, debt/GDP is a completely meaningless ratio, and should be banned from any economics discussion.  See: http://rodgermmitchell.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/federal-debtgdp-a-useless-ratio/

Those who do not understand the difference between Monetary Sovereignty and monetary non-sovereignty, should not write about economics.

Rodger Malcolm Mitchell

Duane McDonald

May 14, 2011, 5:41 p.m.

Building Houses. During the early 1990’s I lived in San Antonio,Texas. I had lived there since the mid 1960’s. There was an are that I passed daily that had been platted for years but no homes were ever built. Suddenly homes began to spring up like weeds, I often remarked to my wife that I wondered who would buy them as the wage scale was fairly low. Well I guess that a lot of them are now bank owned. Seems like the bank and realty wizards should come to know you have to have buyers who can pay for your product.
The problems of Greece and Ireland exist in the USA also just not as severe.