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Popular Delusions: The bull case for safe havens

November 30, 2012

A month ago in Outside the Box, Dylan Grice made the case for the need for safe havens, due to expansive monetary policy. But what is a safe haven anymore?

In today’s piece, a follow-up to last month’s, Dylan gives us a very good rundown on the historical relationship between equities and government bonds, in order to point out the very atypical current negative correlation between them. He then observes that

… what constitutes the ‘safe haven’ changes over time. It’s important to remember not only that government bonds aren’t always the market’s safe haven, but that that there will always be a safe haven somewhere. For all the headlines about the billions wiped off stock market values during market routs, that money had to go somewhere. It doesn’t just disappear. It will go into whatever the safe haven is, which in normal times will be bonds. But what happens when government bonds themselves fall victim to the primary ills of the day?

So where are the safe havens when treasuries underperform? Read on!

By the way, I plan to be in London on January 15 to attend a conference sponsored by Societe Generale. My good friends Dylan Grice and Albert Edwards will be speaking, and a few of us will slip away for dinner.

I am sending this OTB from the Lindbergh Terminal of the Minneapolis–St. Paul Airport, on my way back from Bismarck, ND. I have now been to 49 states, with only South Dakota to go. The Bakken oil field is amazing and the helicopter tour was eye-opening. I am going to write about it this weekend as part of looking at the larger picture of energy and change. 

It is not just about drilling and finding more oil. The changes here connect to fingers of instability and money all over the world – what happens in the Bakken and other places like it will not stay in the Bakken. I am glad I have a few days to process what I saw, before I write. I really learned a great deal and hope to pass on a few insights, and maybe a story or two.

Having my son Chad with me was really special. He has not been my kid who wanted to just jump on planes and go, but he really did like Bismarck. Dave Hoekstra, the president of BNC Bank in Bismarck, met Chad yesterday morning and grabbed him and took him on a tour of the town, even introducing him to potential employers while I was out touring the oil patch. What a nice thing to do. But everyone I met was gracious and helpful. Quite the friendly place. If cold. It was 9 degrees when we visited the oil rig and the wind chill took it down to minus 10-15. Can you say brutal? Even the locals were cold. Though they pointed out that it’s not officially winter yet.

Assuming American Airlines gets me to Dallas on time (which they seem to be able to do just fine; you’ve got to love it), I will see Andrea Bocelli tonight. I bought tickets the first hour they were offered and have been waiting a long time for this.

I now hit the send button from my Swiss Army knife, aka my iPad. Have a great weekend.

Your ready to be warmer analyst,

John Mauldin, Editor
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Popular Delusions

The bull case for safe havens

Government securities are the default safe haven in times of heightened risk aversion. But what happens when Government finances are the cause of the tension? Where are the safe havens then? We offer some thoughts inside .… and more!

In a marked softening of the IMF’s former tone, its chief economist Olivier Blanchard, speaking in Tokyo, earnestly pronounced that the prudent policy maker should now be "ready to adjust the [budget] targets" if achieving those targets becomes too painful. Is the bitter medicine of the IMF’s hitherto unshakable orthodoxy, once deemed cathartic to emerging market victims of economic calamity past, too bitter a pill for more sensitive Western palates?

A harrowing BBC report suggests Greece is Balkanising once more. We are reminded that its civil war only ended in 1949 and that harsh austerity is reopening deep social wounds. Yet Spain’s civil war ended only a few years earlier, and a generation ago it was a fascist military dictatorship. Couldn’t it go the same way if subject to the same stress?

Thus Nobel Prize winning clever clogs Paul Krugman says austerity is “fundamentally mad” and all reasonable people agree with his diagnosis, it seems. Spain looks set to finally benefit from the ECB’s printing press with only token conditionality. And poor Greece, close to being cut loose earlier in the year, is once more nestling in the warm bosom of the Teutonic embrace … well … it’s being given more time, at least, to pretend it is able to repay the unrepayable ....

The rest of the watching world has learned the lesson too. BoE governor King, with a nudge and a wink in the direction of the UK chancellor, says missing debt targets is fine “so long as there is an excuse". Meanwhile, Ben Bernanke urges Congress to “you know, work together to find a solution” to the looming ‘fiscal cliff’. The grim reaper of fiscal austerity has been banished, it seems. Market relief is palpable.

But is it any different from the relief felt by a chronic alcoholic reaching for the booze once again, convincing himself he’ll give it up tomorrow? The fundamental issue of balance sheet unsustainability has not been addressed. The need to delever remains. Albert and I have always felt that inflation would ultimately prove to be the path of least political resistance, and these events have confirmed that assessment. Deflationary deleveraging is politically non-viable, leaving inflationary deleveraging as the only remaining option, as far as I can see. Economists the world over seem very confident that such inflation can be generated in a controlled and nondisruptive fashion. There is a first time for everything, I suppose. But I’m very sceptical. I wrote a few weeks ago that I feared a Great Disorder and that I remain bullish on ‘safe havens’. But what exactly are suitable safe havens for such a circumstance?

Generally, and especially over the last decade, government bonds have been the safe haven. ‘Risk-on risk-off’ might be the catchy nomenclature du jour, but the fact is that government bonds have generally benefitted from their safe haven status throughout the past decade. The following chart shows that status reflected in the negative correlation between Treasuries and the S&P500 over this period.

Historically speaking, these last ten years are an outlier. Over time, what’s good for the currency and for government finances (bonds) should be good for the rest of the economy (equities) and vice versa. The correlation should be positive. Indeed, the following chart shows that the correlation generally has been positive, averaging +0.2 between 1875 and 2002, but -0.3 since 2002 (for the whole period, the average was +0.15).

It’s worth pondering this for a few moments. To help, I’ve arbitrarily separated the sample into three periods. The period from 1875 to 1970 saw a number of monetary regimes, each involving a peg to gold in a progressively less robust way. Yet overall inflation expectations were stable during this period. Bonds were reliable safe havens. The correlation would briefly turn negative during recessions or depressions as bond prices rose during stock market declines, but the overriding correlation between them was positive.

Things changed following the collapse of the Bretton Woods regime in 1971 and the embracing of an explicitly unanchored currency. In the 1970s, although the correlation weakened during stock market declines as it had done previously, it didn’t turn negative. In other words, government bond prices no longer rose during stock market declines, they just didn’t fall by as much. Moreover, the overall correlation was positive. What was bad for bonds was bad for equities too. Government securities consequently lost their safe haven status because they were highly vulnerable to the prominent macro risk of the day, inflation In the 1980s and 1990s the inflation dynamic was reversed. As ‘order’ was restored, inflation was brought under control and a spectacular bull market in bonds ensued. What was now very good for bonds was even better for stocks. Again, therefore, the correlation was strongly positive overall. It would fall during equity market declines but it never went negative because both the bond and equity bull markets were so powerful and the equity drawdowns so shortlived that the three-year correlation never had a chance to go negative (even in the year of the 1987 crash, stocks finished the year higher than they started it). Ultimately, the bond bull market helped to inflate equities to the unprecedented valuation bubble witnessed at the turn of the century. When that bubble burst, the correlation turned negative, and has remained there ever since. This is Albert’s ‘Ice Age’.

This little exercise gives us an appreciation of how unusual it is for the bond-equity correlation to be negative for any period of time, i.e. for a macro regime to be good for bonds but bad for equities over any medium to long-run period. It’s interesting to think about what sort of regime that is too. I think one possibility has to do with the unwinding of extreme valuations, which has certainly been the story in equity markets over the past decade. It has also been a huge part of Japan’s story. There, the bond-equity correlation also turned, and stayed, negative following the even more extreme equity overvaluation reached in the late 1980s. There is much food for thought here.

Our second observation is what constitutes the ‘safe haven’ changes over time. It’s important to remember not only that government bonds aren’t always the market’s safe haven, but that that there will always be a safe haven somewhere. For all the headlines about the billions wiped off stock market values during market routs, that money had to go somewhere. It doesn’t just disappear. It will go into whatever the safe haven is, which in normal times will be bonds. But what happens when government bonds themselves fall victim to the primary ills of the day? In the 1970s, bonds were no place to seek refuge from the inflation and so the safe haven mantle passed to gold (see following chart). This is one reason I remain a gold bull.

But the eurozone threw up other interesting examples. Before the crisis, Spanish investors, for example, would normally have considered their sovereign bonds a safe haven on ‘risk-off’ days. But that stopped working when their sovereigns became the source of risk rather than a shelter from it. Bunds undoubtedly caught some of that safe haven bid, but did the very high quality, zero debt, local-champion-made-good retailer Inditex catch a similar bid too?

A similar picture emerges with the standard quality equity names in countries afflicted by the eurozone sovereign crisis. For example, Hellenic Bottling (Greece), Luxoticca (Italy) and Kerry Group (Ireland) all followed a similar pattern, outperforming their domestic equity indices and performing the safe haven role vacated by their government bonds (see below).

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We see the same effect more generally when we look at Quality Income equities through the same lens. The following chart shows how the relative performance of the SG Quality Income Index relative to the MSCI World has moved with confidence in Italy’s government.

So besides gold, another candidate for safe haven status in the event government bonds become unreliable in that department are equity securities in high quality and robust businesses. I therefore remain very bullish of these too. In recent months, some of you have voiced concern that the time might not be right to buy such names because they have become very overvalued. The following chart suggests otherwise. It compares the forward PE ratios on Quality Income equities (shown here using the SGQI) with those of the overall market. While the overall market is arguably attractively priced (certainly more attractively priced than it has been for some time), the SGQI is priced in line with its historical average.

That implies that expected returns from here should be consistent with its long-run average return, which has been around 6-7%. That’s hardly a once in a lifetime return, but for now, and for a potential safe haven I find it quite attractive because it comes with an embedded robustness. Suppose I’m all wrong in my fears. Suppose that we go all Japanese and the next decades are low-growth muddlethroughs.

A 6-7% return isn’t a bad prospect at all. But now suppose I am right, and government bonds cease acting as safe havens. Owning such equities implies owning the new safe havens (especially if the rest of the portfolio is made up of cash and gold). So we’re on high ground with this strategy, and have a degree of robustness to the reality that we just don’t know what the future holds. That doesn’t guarantee survival from the worst case scenario, but it gives a better chance.

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Ty Thompson

Dec. 10, 2012, 10:27 a.m.

@buz hill - It’s already disappeared, that’s what is going to make it so easy. Most real money has been replaced with derivative contracts years ago, much like the situation with gold and leasing.

Gerald Ferguson

Dec. 7, 2012, 6:19 p.m.

With reference to todays’ article 12/7/12 on pensions, I want to recommend “THE BETRAYAL of the AMERICAN DREAM” by Bartlett and Steele. Chapter 6, The End of Retirement. An eye opener for me.

Dallas Kennedy

Dec. 5, 2012, 3:24 p.m.

The point is: sovereign debt currently viewed as “safe” will soon lose that status. Replacements: gold and high-quality, income-generating stocks. Very interesting piece that shows how historically shallow and short-sighted the current conventional wisdom is—as it often is.

Charlie Patterson

Dec. 4, 2012, 9:47 a.m.

Sorry, but I didn’t follow this at all.  After 10 years of reading Mauldin and friends, this may be the first time that I didn’t get the point at all.


Dec. 2, 2012, 9:06 a.m.

“For all the headlines about the billions wiped off stock market values during market routs, that money had to go somewhere. It doesn’t just disappear.”  Yes, actually that money does disappear.  For every dollar that escapes by selling their shares, another investor is on the other side of that transaction buying.  The net difference in value from a stock’s high to it’s low, in a declining market, is lost.  It does disappear.  In a rising market, wealth is created.

Peter Wynn Williams

Dec. 2, 2012, 3:47 a.m.

Disappointing article from a respected team.“Buy what we’re selling.” What a surprise.

Nedland Williams

Dec. 1, 2012, 3:22 p.m.

Mr. Grice’s premise is wrong when he says “that money had to go somewhere”.

An individual can take money out of one market and put it somewhere else, but money does not come out of the market.  For every seller there must be a buyer.  The total value of any market fluctuates in a constant attempt to find equilibrium between buyers and sellers.  If this were not true, how could the stock market fall 200 points on overnight news, without a single share being traded?

The valuation in a second market [or safe haven] may well go up, as some sellers buy into that alternative.  However, a $100 billion loss in the stock market does not portend a $100 billion rise in another market, since most of the valuation losses occur in the accounts of those who have taken no action at all.


Dec. 1, 2012, 2:24 p.m.

thank you for the intristing e-mail .i have to say you are right but i am littel confuese because if you really was in GR for even few houres ..you should make a phoone call (never for some think out from the intres )i have respect for my self first so this make me to have respect for others but you see the person i saw in video and i have e-mail (is not the same who say was in GR (maybe you are cunfuese too but (this risk on -off) have a reason to use in special’’ periptosy ‘‘after this i am sure the person with Mauldin potential is not the same i have in e-mail (dont worry i will continue to read your analysis ) but i am sure you are other person ..
SO again thank you
the world is not Quit too ..we have to be safe ..

Richard Fago

Dec. 1, 2012, 12:18 p.m.

This time “It is different.” Since 2008 this has not been your “normal” business cycle, where first you go down and then you come back up and everything is hunky dory. We are being confronted by dangerous leaders, starting with Obama. You can add another seven or eight with a little thought. The next four years are going to be hell on earth for ALL American citizens, even those who voted for the man. Europe is certainly no safe haven and it will only get far worse before it gets any improvement. We can possible survive the leaders, but it is the mindset of the masses, a la Greece, and those who voted for Obama, et al, who we need to worry about. Until they accept capitalism, success, failure, personal responsibility, the imperative of freedom and liberty, less government power and control over its citizens, etc, etc, we are all relegated to a sub par life and just “getting by.”

Obama is THE GREAT DEMENTOR,  (from the Harry Potter movies),who sucks out the spirit, lifeblood and motivation from the citizens. Other countries suffer from the same type of leaders, ie. ~ Chavez, Castro, et al.

David Oldham

Dec. 1, 2012, 11:44 a.m.

“Assuming American Airlines gets me to Dallas on time (which they seem to be able to do just fine; you’ve got to love it), I will see Andrea Bocelli tonight. I bought tickets the first hour they were offered and have been waiting a long time for this”.

I hope you made the concert John. These guys at top of their profession bring tears to my eyes. Just wish my right brain could compare in the business of trading markets.


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